In Rev. 17: 10-11 it begins with, and there are 7 kings, you know the verses, 5 are fallen, 1 is and the other is not yet come, and when he comes he must continue a short space.

I got into this and spent a few years on it, going from there to Daniel, Thess, II, etc.   I never was comfortable with scholars adding 2 more empires to Nebuchadnezzar’s image (Egypt and Assyria) to make this prophecy of the 7 kings add up.  I don’t feel God would assume that we would assume.  So instead of assuming the 7 mountains in Rev. 17:9 refers to the 7 kings that follow, I took God up on the little article he put after verse 9… “and”  there are 7 kings. Maybe, I thought, this is separate from the 7 mountains; at least I could look into it.  The starting place would be the 5 that had already fallen by the time John was on the island of Patmos receiving the revelation.  The direction was easy, just find 5 kings in that history.  This led me, of course to Daniel and  if I was going to use Nebuchadnezzar’s image, there was no way I could make those empires fit into 5 that had already fallen before John, even if I separated the Medes from the Persians into, so instead of looking for all five, I began with the first one… who was the first king God wanted me to find?

In Daniel 8:21 I found my first king:  “And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.” Alexander the Great.  And then, to know what follows in the Bible and history, it all made sense, because out of one of the four generals/turned kings that split up Alexander’s empire would arise the infamous little
horn.  I believed I had found my five kings.

Then was the “one is”… the king alive during John’s time, the one that exiled him to Patmos… the Ceasar Domitian.  All scholars seem to agree at least on this one.

Then I moved on to ” and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” — this would be the seventh king.  This is the king we’re looking for even as I write this.

I started looking at Rev. 13, how the Antichrist is killed, and then healed, and then it says… he must continue a short space. Well, I think God might allow us to assume that short space is the last 3 1/2 of the tribulation.

Okay. The seventh king comes to power in the first 3 1/2 years, but he continues through the last 3 1/2 years. He’s here the full 7 years. Then what of this insidious 8th king? the one God says he was, he is not, goes into perdition, and yet he is? and is “OF” the seven??

So, I wondered, and I’m still wondering, is it possible that 7th king comes on the world scene, confirms a covenant with many, receives a head wound, goes into perdition, rises from the dead in a counterfeit resurrection.  That I suspect will seal the delusion that seals the falling away, Apollyon enters his body, the same way Satan entered Judas, the only other son of perdition, and now the 7th king who is of the serpent bloodline is a new creation, mocking the Holy Spirit who enters a dead man in his sins and gives the man a re-birth, now a new creature in Christ.

This 7th king is a new creature after his dark resurrection – a man/god. He has joined himself to the beast Apollyon. Now he is something else, someone else… the eighth king…he was – a man he is not – cut off, killed and yet he is – now risen from the dead, the man/beast.  The 7th king is the same as the 8th king, rather the eighth king is of the seven.

Anyway, do you think this could be right?


Thanks for your question and I am deeply impressed with your determination to find these answers out from prophecy, very few are even interested in such things, quite commendable. I think the problem comes in by reaching further back into history than the scriptures concerning this phenomenon do. It is clearly a Roman phenomenon, as seen by the 7 hills and other relating info. Plus, John’s immediate connection with that empire also, dictates the reason for the Lord to highlight this detail concerning the fourth and final kingdom.

I believe the eight kings are all forms of this final kingdom (Roman), 5 have fallen, the first five forms of political Roman rule, the 6th John was told was still reigning. Well, who was reigning in John’s day? Again, Imperial Rome. I believe the seventh to be Papal, ecclesiastical Rome-Roman Catholic church. The wound this king sustains is the Protestant Reformation and is revived as the 8th king at the end, “who was, is now not, and shall again be and go into perdition”. Just take a look at the ecumenical movement occurring right now. The Protestant church is returning to the papacy, look up Kenneth Copeland, Anthony Palmer and Pope. Joel Osteen just visited the Pope. It is being declared among this crowd that the protest is over! Not to mention the center stage He is receiving once again on the world stage all the way to Jerusalem, as he reveals his absolute, apostate nature by joining all Christ persecuting faiths to his false church system (Judaism, Islam etc.) even proclaiming that he is ready and willing to receive aliens into the church and baptize them. If this is not a sign of the great falling away Christ spoke of then, I don’t know what is!

Please listen in to my present series on blog talk radio Tuesdays and Thursdays 7-pm est “Let’s talk God is not Religious” for my “Debunking the Rapture” teaching where I expose the whole fallacy of the dispensational 7 year tribulation period and false Antichrist identifications. It will also be released shortly, as a book.